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Problems of the concept of a 'level'.  Very few people want that level, they want a bit of this, a bit of that as an assurance profile that meets their specific set of requirements. 

Where is the government requirements in this area? What about STORK? The new EU calls maybe a real opportunity to bring all of this together.  The range of EU funded projects saying that they are doing 'pan european idenity'.  Licia is being asked to lead this in TERENA.  Needs to bring in EU-DAT, STORK, LIBER - much wider community.