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Attendees

Goals

  • Status Updates of work items (FOD/CT)
  • Status of DDoS Detection/Mitigation WG
  • F2F-Meeting-Planning: Discussing potential locations
  • Review Open Action Points from last VC(s)
  • AOB
  • David Schmitz (LRZ)

  • Tomas Cejka (CESNET)
  • Vaclav Bartos (CESNET)
  • Linus Nordberg (NORDUNET)
  • Magnus Ahltorp (KTH)
  • Nino Ciurleo (GARR)
  • Silvia d'Ambrosio (GARR)
  • Marco Marletta (GARR)

Goals

  • Initial Kick-Off VC: introduction of the task and its members

Discussion items

As Linus and Magnus are not here today David will contact them separately about status
In 4 weeks: 03.06.2017, 14:15-15:15 CE(S)T , as David is not available Wednesday in 2 weeks
TimeItemWhoNotes Firewall On Demand (FOD) 
  • (info page for FOD development https://wiki.geant.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=63965046)
  • Testing of new FOD features on FOD test machines
    • goal in the upcoming weeks
      • is to fully test the port range feature developed by Tomáš, as well as the graphs statistics module and REST API by GRNET,
      • eventually also on the first test machine which is close to production as it is connected with the production network
      • and for the first test machine it has to be investigated how the new FOD and its modules can be deployed suitable for and according to GEANT installation techniques/procedures (e.g. puppet usage)
    • issue with conflict of names of graphs module still unsolved; Tomáš will investigate further
    • issue with port specification: list of ports/port ranges don't work any more; Tomáš will investigate respective user input parsing code
 DDoS Detection/Mitigation (D/M) WG 
  • Fastnetmon testing at GARR:
    • Silvia and Nino are still working at there proposal for multi-domain use of fastnetmon where fastnetmon is used at institution side and can signal to upstream for mitigation based on local decision of
    • Actually they cooperate with other colleagues and also a range of users (with different operating/management requirements) in GARR to create a full POC together with them in GARR
    • Silvia/Nino still may send Tangui preliminarily draft of their proposal so than Tangui can get a idea and can compare both solutions
  • FlowMon DDoS Defender detection + A10 box mitigation testing
    • A10 will provide a special reporting module which allows provision of statistics after the end of an attack
    • The testing may check for consistency of statistics during and after attack (for later integration into extended FOD)
    • Some weeks ago simple configuration change rendered FlowMon + DDoS Defender into serious crash which was not recoverable by reboot; has still to be investigated by FlowMon
  • Deepfield detection + A10 box mitigation testing
    • Serious bug exists which prevents Deepfield from actual DDoS detection even 20 minutes after the attack
    • Some issues with the GUI exist
    • Current limitation which allow only one type of mitigation action to be applied to a simple subnet
    • => Deepfield promised to fix these issues
  • CORSA NSE7000 testing
    • not yet started; but box is already in the lab
  • DDoS D/M Survey:
    • Poll for ddos@geant.org mailing list will end in 1-2 weeks, Evangelos will send final mail;
    • Up to now 20 answers from 19 different NRENs: general evaluation of answers:
      • balanced number of answers from managers, network engineers, and security engineers
      • FOD is is very well known to the (answering) NRENs
      • Most of answering NRENs are using netflow-based DDoS detection
      • GEANT-provided scrubbing center solution is desired by most of the answering NRENs (73.7%)
      • Further collaboration with other NRENs desired: experience sharing (33.3%) or even common development (38.9%)
 RepShield/NERD 
  • Student work started which is trying to tag/classify ip addresses/hostnames according to
        • their general type, e.g. VPN
        • and their attack behaviour
 Certificate Transparency (CT) 
 F2F Meeting Planning 
  • New Foodle poll for F2F meeting exists, but answer may be hard if place of meeting not know (because of unclear voyage duration)
  • So, first the potential locations have to be found. Candidates currently are:
        • Garching near Munich (LRZ)
        • Prague: possible
        • Rome: possible, preferably after Summer (e.g in June, May)
        • Stockholm
        • Cambridge: possible
  • For each of these potential location everyone should check how long travel might potentially be for she/him
 Next VC 

Action items

  •  David/Evangelos/Tomáš: get plugin for graphs in FOD from GRNET running
  •  Silvia/Nino: sent Tangui preliminary slides about fastnetmon proposal draft
  •  Silvia/Nino: provide proposal about multi-domain usage scenario for fastnetmon in wiki (e.g., at or below DDoS Detection/Mitigation WG File Area)
  •  Silvia/Nino: if possible, provide some summary in wiki about Radware POC (e.g., at or below DDoS Detection/Mitigation WG File Area)
  •  all: think about potential new candidate NOC mailing lists for DDoS survey extension (URL of survey https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeY0tVy43S7W4Z65s2j1O73IxBNuZwV6fSWWGZWOat3TXqWYw/viewform?c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link)
  •  Linus/Magnus/David: internal presentation for CT use cases/service
  •  all interested in DDoS D/M WG: fill new foodle
  •  all: think about location and possibility to host F2F meeting
  •  all: Next regular T6 VC: 03.06.2017, 14:15-15:15 CE(S)T

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Introduction of people  
 JRA2 in general and in particular T6 - all sub tasks

Short introduction; In detail information is given at Malaga meeting

  
 Malaga meeting   
 Ancillary working group on DDoS attacks mitigationGARR network is currently experiencing high amount of DDOS attacks. So GARR is cooperating with commerical vendors as well as academic organizations (e.g. ntop) how to detect DDOS attacks. Regarding this GARR would share experiences in a particular Work group (WG)  on this subject. A particular VC will be scheduled for this.  
 Regular task VCFoodle poll will be provided to find a regular time slot  
     

Action items

  •  David Schmitz: Create Foodle poll for regular task VC
  •  David Schmitz: Create Foodle poll for next VC of DDOS mittigation WG
  •  all: fill foodle poll for regular task VC
  •  all interested in DDOS mitigation WG: fill foodle poll
  •  Magnus Ahltorp, Linus Nordberg: send your jabber IDs
  •  all: check whether you can attend Malaga meeting ideally in person or VC and undertake any actions necessary for it
  •  Magnus Ahltorp, Linus Nordberg: prepare and provide (ideally present at Malaga) slides for overview of existing software component (architecture, languages, technologies involved - everything interesting for developers in T6 and the other tasks): CT 
  •  Vaclav Bartos, Tomas Cejka: prepare and provide (ideally present at Malaga) slides for overview of existing software components (architecture, languages, technologies involved - everything interesting for developers in T6 and the other tasks): Warden, RepShield, referential alert detection toolset for security testbed
  •  user-02146: prepare and provide (ideally present at Malaga) slides for overview of existing software components (architecture, languages, technologies involved - everything interesting for developers in T6 and the other tasks): FOD

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