Minutes of VC about nrenum.net 2008-06-13
Date/Time: 13.06.2008 / 10:30 - 11:30 CET
Participants: - Mihaly Meszaros <misi (o) niif.hu> - Kewin Stoeckigt <kewin (o) acm.org> - Andras Kovacs <akov (o) niif.hu> - Jan Ruzicka <janru (o) cesnet.cz> - Peter Szegedi <szegedi (o) terena.org> - Dimitris Daskopoulos <dimitris (o) ccf.auth.gr> (joined later) - Bernie Hoeneisen <bernie.hoeneisen (o) switch.ch> (chair and secretary)
Agenda: 1) Discussion about move towards production service 2) Host for zone 3) Registrar for domain name 4) Webpages / Mailinglists 5) Tranfer of the domain name to Terena 6) Secondaries for zone 7) AOB
Minutes: 1) Decision about moving nrenum.net from trial into production (or whatever level) service Misi: - Go to production or say this is a service Kewin: - Agrees to move to production - TF-ECS will cease to exist soon - Other bodies to be found to take care of technical side - Maybe integrate with GN2 stuff Peter: - If it is a service, should be assigned a live-time - Find form to use it - According to his understanding not operated by Terena, but NREN(s), but it's up to discussion Kewin: - Terena should not need to run it techniscally, but NREN(s) - Sees Terena rather as oversight body (mediator role, guidance, etc.) - Would lead to a joint venture Peter: - Agrees with Kewin - The form is to be figured out - Should not be connected to any TF, as TFs are not stable bodies - Could include it into Terena portfolio Kewin: - There is a need for some commitment/guarantees, that the service will be run until some point in time to boost it Andras: - It might be possible to invole it in GN2; benefit: it is finananced Jan: - Should Dante be involed? Andras: - GN2 (successer GN3) involvement is possible - Repeats financial aspect Jan: - Depends, on the level of influence Andras: - Financing might be a reason Misi: - Expect financing and hosting not to be a big problem Jan: - Also not affraid of financing Misi: - Terena can help Peter: - Agrees, if included in Terena portfolio Bernie: - Shall we now discuss about policy issues? Kewin: - Put it to AOB Bernie: - o.k., done Peter: - We seam to have two options: 1) Terena takes over delegation - Acts as mediator - NREN technical stuff - Policy issues to be decided (e.g. policy board) 2) Move it to GEANT Kewin: - Prefers to go on with option 1), and decide later, whether or not involving GEANT is sensible Bernie: - Agrees with Kewin - Is affraid of the timing, in case GEANT is to be involved Dimitis: - Agrees too, as it is easier - Financing not a big issue Bernie: - Asks for opposition about going with option 1) and explore option 2) lateron. --> No oposition Peter: - ok, but form a policy board with relevant NRENs ==> Given the aprroval of Terena (*Peter*): - nrenum.net will be moved forward to a productive service - Will be part of the Terena portfolio - Policy board (or similar body) to be formed - Policies to be decided ==> Possible later GEANT/GN2 involvement; could be discussed in the Berlin meeting (*Andras*) 2) Assign host for the zone nrenum.net (primary nameserver) (Switch has been doing this till now and is able to continue) ==> Confirmed, that SWITCH continues to run the zone(Simon Leinen <noc (o) switch.ch> will be the main contact at SWITCH) 3) Assign Registrar for Domainname (Terena to choose Registrar) ==> Already resolved by email (Terena decided it to be "Gandi SAS") No further discussion 4) Decide who will be hosting the webpage (wiki/CMS/whatever)and mailing list(s) Bernie: - Server with webpage will be switched off in about 10 days - Mailing list(s) could remain for the time being, if neeeded Jan: - As long as content is static, no wiki is needed Peter: - What is required? - Explains solutions: Static, Mediawiki, Confluence Bernie: - Dynamical better than static at least for technical parts - Wiki-like solution preferred to encourage people to update - Confluence features not necessessarly needed, mediawiki will probabely do it Kewin: - Agrees Peter: - Terena can do all the variants discussed so far - Whether under the domain nrenum.net needs to be figured out Bernie: - Tends for mediawiki - Other opinions? Kewin: - Terena should decide about the exact technical solution, depends on technical knowledge at Terena Bernie: - Agrees with Kewin - Would like to make a recommendation for the preferred solution, while still leaving final decision up to Terena Peter: - Terena has also experience with Mediawiki Dimitris; - What kind of accounts do we provide? Peter: - To be figured out Bernie: - Prefers personal accounts Misi: - Can confluence be integrated with Shibboleth? Jan: - Both mediawiki and confluence can be integrated with shibboleth Peter: - Let's go for mediawiki, unless Terena has some issues Bernie: - how about access-writes for external (outside the community) people, if Shiboleth is used? Peter: - Many NRENS provide Virtual Home Organisations for this Misi: - Local accounts can be used as well Bernie - How fast could it be set up? Peter: - During next week it can be set up ==> Go with Mediawiki, unless Terena has an issue (*Peter*) ==> Account handling to be figured out (*Peter*) Peter: - Terena might be able about to host mailing lists under nrenum.net - To be figured out (*Peter*) 5) Transfer of ownership (and Registrar) of the Domainname nrenum.net (Kewin -> Terena) ==> Will be discussed among (*Kewin, Peter, Bernie*) ==> Kewin will also transfer nrenum.org (not only nrenum.net)Terena to decide what is going to happen with nrenum.org 6) Add some secondary nameservers for zone nrenum.net Bernie: - From technical point of view, three nameservers are sufficient - There might be some "marketing-driven" reasons to add more secondaries - e.g. to demonstrate commitment / involvement / trust to attract more NRENs to join in Dimitris: - Might offer secondary, if sensible 7) AOB: Topics: - Double provisioning (entries in e164.arpa and nrenum.net) - Other policy issues Kewin: - Postpone policy issues to another meeting ==> Next meeting will on 18.06.2008 10:00 CEST about policy issues (*Bernie*) to arrange it |