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Attendance

Federations in Attendance (

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1. Australian Access Federation (AAF)
2. COFRe
3. GRNET
4. SAFIRE
5. HAKA
6. SWAMID
7. PIONEER
8. Belnet Federation
9. TAAT
10. eduID Luxembourg
11. eduID.hu
12. eduID.cz
13. MINGA
14. CAFe
15. SURFconext
16. CAF
17. AAI@EduHr
18. RIF
19. FÉR
20. RoEduNetID
21. MINGA
22. UK Federation
23. Edugate

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1. InCommon
2. IDEM
3. AAF
4. TAAT
5. eduID.cz
6. CAF
7. RićerkaNet
8. HAKA
9. PIONEER.id
10. SWAMID
11. INFED
12. eduId.hu
13. CAFe
14. SWITCHaai

Attendees (xx)

1. Casper Dreef, GÉANT
2. Davide Vaghetti, IDEM/GARR
3. Terry Smith, AAF
4. Alejandro LaraBrook Schofield, COFReGÉANT
5. Halil Adem, GRNET
6. Donald Coetzee, SAFIRE
7. Jari ToropainenNick Roy, InCommon
8. Sten Aus, TAAT (Estonia)
9. Pål Axelsson, SWAMID
10. Pascal Panneels, Belnet
11. Tomasz Wolniewicz, PIONIER.Id
12. Stefan Winter, eduID Luxembourg
13. Jiří Bořík, eduID.cz
15. Jiri Borik, eduID.czArnout Terpstra, SURFconext
16. Chris Phillips, CAF
17. Annass Chabli, FÉR
18. Maja Wolniewicz, PIONIER.Id
19. János Mohácsi, eduID.hu/KIFÜ
20. Péter Molnár, eduID.hu/KIFÜ
21. Claudio Chacón, MINGA
23. Daniel Muscat, RiċerkaNET Identity Federation
24. Jani Heikkinen, HAKA
25. Maja Gorecka-Wolniewicz, PIONEER.id
26. Thomas Wolniewicz, PIONEER.id
27. Pål Axelsson, Sunet/SWAMID
28. Raja Visvanathan, INFED
29. János Mohácsi, eduId.hu
30. Jean Carlo Faustino, CAFe
31. Guy Halse, SAFIRE
32. Rhys Smith, UK Federation
33. Mihai Carabas, RoEduNetIDThomas Bärecke, SWITCHaai
34. Julie Menzies, CAF
35. Janusz Ulanowski, Edugate
36. Miroslav Milinovic, AAI@EduHR
37. Hellen Nakawung, RIF

Apologies (

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1. Brook Schofield, GÉANT
2. Nicole Harris, GÉANT
3. Muhammad Farhan Sjaugi, SIFULAN
4. Saeed Khademi, . IRFED
5. Wolfgang Pempe , DFNNick Roy, InCommon(DFN-AAI, travelling)
6. Nicole Harris, GÉANT
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Notes

Welcome, Introductions & Agenda Agreement

The Chair welcomed everyone to the 3rd 4rd meeting of 2019 and gave a bit of background to his day job and engagement with the community via the Australian Access Federation (AAF) which is a federation not run by the NREN but have a close affiliation and work on federated services . The AAF is also the ORCID consortium member for Austalia. Prior to the AAF, Terry worked for an Australian University on Campus identity issues.

See the Open Actions & Previous Meeting notes. The major open action will be covered within the meeting.

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For details on new members and candidates see https://technical.edugain.org/status and work on progressing new members is underway.

Malta/RiċerkaNet Identity Federation has now joined, required votes for membership were achieved today marking the 69th member to join. Voting continues to be open until the 27th.

Four (4) federations participated in eduGAIN since the last meeting.

Four (4) One candidates currently under assessment.

• Kyrgyz Republic / KRENA Identity Federation (KIF)

Romania/RoEduNetID have completed work required to participate in eduGAIN and this will soon be integrated into the metadata feed by the OT.

eduGAIN Town Hall

Possible Locations and dates for the meeting were discussed. Two have been ruled out.

• TechEX - December, 2019 - Very unlikely because of the proximity to the event
• TIME 2020 - February, 2020 - Audience determined not to be the right fit
  
• Other options?

• China / CSTCloud Federation - 18-Oct-2019
• Slovakia / safeID - 24-Oct-2019
• Mexico / FENIX - 21-Nov-2019
• Tajikistan / TARENA Identity Federation - 28-Nov-2019

eduGAIN Operation Processes

• Modification of production systems
• Summary of the deployment of profile v2

Documentation: eduGAIN Operations - SAML

Thomas and Davide explainend that the beta feed will be removed after implementation to avoid confusing. Should probably renamed in e.g. testing feed. This is different than preproduction.
Chris seconded the idea of having a test and preproduction feed. This will be benefiting the smaller federations that don't have the resources to run tests themselves.

eduGAIN Town Hall

• https://eventr.geant.org/events/3250.
• 24th - 25th March, Stockholm.
• Send topic ideas to the eduGAIN-SG list.

Possibly in March 2020, but needing to include topics broader than just eduGAIN to justify travel + wider participation (to include eduroam, possibly REFEDS WGs, invite FIM4R, FIM4L, possibly some “CAMP” type sessions). This will be coordinated by Casper Dreef and was broadly supported. Desirable to have the dates flagged early to support travel + visa processing requirements. Both dates + location needed. A Town Hall hasn't been convened since 2017, the end of 2018 event was skipped because of the preparation of the GN4-3 project. This event is to have a global focus to better support transcontinental travel.

eduGAIN "baselining"

The eduGAIN Compliance Issues wiki page has been updated but required more attention and this is an ongoing process.

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Validator report at https://technical.edugain.org/profile_v2 now shows:

• 4 1 red (non-compliant) - Belnet, MATEMATE.  Belnet and WAYF moved to green, Oman KID , WAYFmoved to yellow
• 32 44 yellow (partially compliant) - previously 44 decrease of 12
• 35 15 green (fully compliant) - previously 15 increase of 20

The AAF situation is due to the and 32 other federations situation include issues with logo requirement for discovery. Pål also highlighted the logo issue as not being important. Rhys stated that priority needs to be with the RED (non-compliant) issues. Davide explained that the eduGAIN Support team is able to contact federations to work on these issues.

Identifying those with more than logo issues could provide the next tranche to address, maybe an Orange group for those with more that missing logos?

Three Baseline meetings took place over the last couple of months. You can find the notes here: https://wiki.refeds.org/display/GROUPS/Baseline+Expectations+Working+GroupNote: Belnet corrected their compliance situation to Partially Compliant after the meeting. The 4/44/15 now stands at 3/44/18.

Resolving eduGAIN issues

R&S, SIRTFI, baselining, validators and the many other tools are all helping to resolve and even prevent issues occuring for a researcher in one federation seamlessly accessing a service on the other side of the planet. When it all works great!

But when it doesn't determining the fault can be complex. Issues include;

• federation and organisation policies
• awareness
• working across many organisational and national boundaries
• working across time zones

Simple guidance for commuities communicating issues and identifying parties that need to be involved?

Improving awareness for organisations and federations interoperating and particularly sharing and tracking the issues and the solutions.

Terry provided an example of a R&S service within Australia having difficulty working with a UK Federation identity provider not supporting R&S. Liaising with Jisc has been useful as they want to promote R&S within their federation. Chris Phillips highlighted that there are services that required SIRTFI in addition to R&S and sometimes these issues are urgent or conveying the importance and urgency doesn't always pass between support functions. Davide highlighted that the resolution time can often be in the order of weeks. Davide to provide statistics on eduGAIN support topics/issues for the next meeting.

Who and how to provide guidance is an open issue for a different forum.

Future meetings

The dates for the next SG meetings and Drop-in sessions will be shared in due course.

It was agreed to allocate some time in SG meetings to give an update on the Drop-in sessions.

The next SG meeting was confirmed to take place on Tuesday 10th December 2019 13:00 UTC Drop in sessions:

• 15th October *Asia* 7:00 UTC / 9:00 Amsterdam / 00:00 Los Angeles / 3:00 Washington / 18:00 Sydney
       - https://timeanddate.com/s/3skv

• 12th November *Americas* 20:00 UTC / 21:00 Amsterdam / 12:00 Los Angeles / 15:00 Washington / 07:00 Sydney
       - https://timeanddate.com/s/3skw

Terry highighted some topics from the previous drop in sessions:

• Need for usage statistics is major driver of FIM4L and displacing EZproxy.
  
• Service Catalogue (although there is a range of work groups on this topic).

Chris raised the issue of discussion documents on service catalogue. Terry highlighted emerging federations needing a service catalogue to point people toward a service - in a follow-up email he also flagged REFEDS Service Catalogue Best Practices and 2018 REFEDS Workplan. Pål highlighted the fact that with more than 3000 SPs within eduGAIN it is difficult to curate and maintain a list. Terry highlighted the desire of service providers to provide good information to encourage update of their service. Chris flagged the importance of a service might differ between federations.

AoB and Close

• Zoom connections URLs and use of Zoom for future meetings? The WebRTC will be promoted for future meetings.

What to do with non-compliant federations? Should we remove them from the participants list and demote them to membership or create a 'suspended' list?

Further discussions in future SG meetings and T&I Town Hall.

Davide anounced the SG on the creation of eduGAIN security team as part of the wider support team. By the end of the year documentation will be published and shared with the eduGAIN community.
Thomas Bärecke prepared a report on the eduGAIN support tickets. The report will be published soon.

The meeting was closed at 15:02 CETThe meeting closed at 15:45 and encouraged all to attend the next drop in session and the SG meeting in December, coordinates to follow.