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Notes:

Chair: Davide proposed to have 2 chairs. 1) Sven Gabriel and 2) FedOperator

Casper shared https://wiki.geant.org/display/eduGAIN/Working+Groups 

For now no fixed term for chairs.

Davide: summary of eswg charter on wiki https://wiki.geant.org/display/eduGAIN/eduGAIN+Security+Working+Group+Charter+-+eSWG

Chris: in scope for this group -> baseline recommendations. 

Pal: narrow down, otherwise we end up doing everything and therefore nothing.

Sven: long term and short term goals. Reflect on the goals. Communication infrastructure to contact the federation operators. Mandate: what is expected from us. Decided by SG.

Chris: We can make recommendations that can be acted upon. 

Davide: Recommendations to the community?
Chris: Do we need an Emergency contact list? This will take time and resources. 

Pal: Put eduGAIN SIR on the SG agenda.

Davide: SIR consultation is underway. Passed REFEDS and got approved. No comments received so far. https://wiki.geant.org/display/eduGAIN/Security+Incident+Response+Handbook+Feedback 

Received comments from experts during the SIRTFI/REFEDS consultation.

Davide: Two main tasks:

  1. Proposed recommendations to eSG. And how do we enforce the outcomes
  2. Define the function of the Security team. Reactive (incident response) and proactive (awareness campaigns).


Pal: This group could make suggestions on how to communicate effectively with the eSG / FedOps.

Chris: Help the security team to understand what the gaps currently are. What does the security team like to see from the fedops to improve.

Sven: Agree. 

Romain: Missing link between fedops, SPs, IdPs and the security team. Security team as an operation tool.

Chris: This group being the ambassador to be ready for incident response? We can create a lot of work for ourselves. What would be the part of the work.

Romain: Nothing specific. Threats to R&E as a whole. Challenges like different infrastructures. One more way to reach out to different levels of the community. eduGAIN one more layer.

Chris: Is it a SOC?

Romain: Not really. This team is mainly reactive. But if there hints of malicious activities the team will act. Coordination and cooperation.

Davide: The team's remit is more or less described in the SIR.

Shannon: Sounds like more bottom-up than top-down. However, he doesn't think we are currently operating this way. This could be one of the tasks/goals this WG could address.

Romain: Try to close the gap between scientific and campus computing.

Terry: Is this something we can help to impact?

Chris: It's rare that we communicate with the community. So this needs to be established. 

Romain: #1 priority: provide incident response abilities for eduGAIN. 

Sven: The security team has a limited view on what is going on in eG and it's infrastructure. Feedback from this group.

Chris: Emergency preparedness is the big topic.

Davide: Establishing a trusted community channel to the identity federations. These are the initial goals.

Terry: Layered approach. Security team looks at IdFeds. IdFeds look at SPs and IdPs.

Romain: Especially with planned campaigns.

Pal: Hard to balance the number of messages to the end points. 

Romain: Send valuable content of high quality. Higher chance that your message will reach the right people.

Chris: Assist with prioritise the types of messages. Help/train the community what is expected of them. 

Pal: Risk of losing interest because of overload of information.

Sven: The security team's mandate should be transparent. 

Pal: I need this when I talk to my constituency. 

Davide: How will we proceed?

Pal: Suggestion: Security team to come up with some concrete action plan. 

Romain: eduGAIN passwords.

Terry: ˆ Layered approach before we send out communications ˆ. Make the community aware. 

Sven: Mixing up 2 major problems. Security incident response part and proactive part. We could also think of an opt-in approach for the proactive part.

Terry: What does the team expect to receive as a response?

Romain: The less the better.

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